Don't Patronize Me

 Don't Patronize Me

 - because I don't play games -

So this is how Hoch basically talks to everyone who is worried about the zone they have played in for ten years. Instead of saying he cares and he has a plan he would rather argue about how people should 'address' him. Is that all you view as important Hoch? Anyone who actually put the zone and community first would have all this posturing and bigotry as the last thing on their minds. Yet for some reason this is the only thing on your mind and always has been. Hoch goes on further to say "I don't like playing games". Haha well you made that clear, if you liked to play games maybe the zone wouldn't be dying and you would actually login and dare I say play the game.

Conversation said:

TLordTango> hoch, what's the plan to keep dsb alive another year?
Hoch> Hello to you too Tango.
TLordTango> hello
TLordTango> you see, we need some leadership now
Hoch> Tango, if you want me attention then removing the inflammatory language is a good start.
TLordTango> I am not trying to insult you
Hoch> I didn't say anything about insults, I wrote inflammatory.
TLordTango> let me
TLordTango> let me phrase it differently then
TLordTango> we need someone with a plan - who has the power to ensure the plan gets executed, and the charisma ensure the plan is loved, and the leadership to pull enough people into executing the plan so that it will succeed
TLordTango> will you be that man?
Hoch> See my above comment Tango. You may like to play games, but I don't.
TLordTango> I'm not playing games [I so hate biting my tongue here and now saying 'I can see that']
Hoch> Then when you can learn how to address properly we will chat. Until that point you will be talking to yourself.
TLordTango> yes lets get hung up over the proper to adress someone until it's only you and me left
TLordTango> this zone is near death, like patient that needs a surgeon to perform a kidney transplant, like a platoon pinned down in a crossfire needs a sergeant to lead them out
TLordTango> I need to know - what /is/ the plan, do you even /have/ a plan?
TLordTango> or will you just full-fill your 'job requirements' till you dont have to anymore cause the patient died and the platoon slaughtered?
Hoch> You'll know when everyone else does. You are not special.
TLordTango> these things are not so much subject to time and place as to getting people motivated to execute it
Hoch> I am happy to discuss future plans. I just choose not to do it with you Tango. I find your patronizing language off-putting Tango.
Makron> so did you want everyone to logon to pub right now so hoch can tell us?
TLordTango> no
Makron> or would you rather have it somewhere official where anyone can read at their leisure
TLordTango> he'll do that anyway
Makron> motivation is kinda of hard to get when you have a player pool of 50 actives
Makron> if that
malmae> awesome zone you got here
TLordTango> he'll have to type out the plan tons of times anyway
TLordTango> to discuss it with tons of ppl
TLordTango> might as well start now
TLordTango> rather than when he logs on again, somewhere in a month's time
TLordTango> but if its not incompetence, which justifies some patronizing language - where is that plan we needed a year ago at latest?
Makron> you mean 6 years ago
Hoch> I've turned off to you now Tango. Next time, think carefully before typing.
TLordTango> feels good, having power, now doesn't it
TLordTango> means you only have to put up with your own shit

Then to top this all off Hoch doesn't like patronizing language. Well maybe he should re-read every post he has every made on every forum, and every comment he ever made. Because Patronizing and treating the player base as morons is the corner stone of Hoch's conversations. For example the latest post on DSB forums from Hoch.

Hoch said:

Careful consideration is always given to ideas. But not every idea is good and worthy of widespread testing.

This written, Dakrn has outlined the timeframe for League 13, which is sorely running late. The
recent discussions have, for the most part, been productive and constructive.

And a reply by the_snake who used to be Head of the Development team.

the_snake said:

Hoch, we may be just players, but we are not stupid. Please stop with the patronizing language, and for once say things that actually reflect what is going on.

The DSBL13 out line is as followed:
As for a DSBL13 time line, here is what we are looking at:

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1. Final Map decision around Friday, February 18th. We may make changes after L13, but the map will likely be temporarily frozen for the duration of L13.
2. DSBL13 Pre-League: Sunday February 20th and Sunday, February 27th.
3. DSBL13 regular season starts: Sunday, March 6th
4. League will likely end in late May/early June.
5. A much more intensive L14 will be launched in the autumn of 2011.
---

Facts: The only idea which was worth exploring, was the 9v9 idea and map brought by league staff. League staff gave careful consideration only to their idea, and as such it was the only one which was explored.
Thankfully for Ent some ideas by sever and fly were put into test for 1 day or two on his bot.

Basically all of the discussions since october 2010 were useless, you actually all wasting our time.

Hoch, our time is as much as important as yours, or anyone else in staff.

With the given time line, I don't see any possibility to test anything aside for what staff as already decided priorly to be considered as their idea - the best one. How could you test fly swatter's idea? how could you test flag distribution idea? what about kill points? flag points? how can all of these discussions and ideas be tested.. by the looks of things, there was never even intention of actually materializing anything else than what staff has decided at around late november..

this is all a show, you should have just locked all threads and kept their subject with dakrn/beerh posts, we have wasted too much time discussing things that will never see day light..

as such, i will delete all of my topics and threads related to DSBL13, because I don't think staff that doesn't respect what its players say, should get any respect back from the players and be worthy of their ideas and posts.

or better put, if you didnt even desire feedback in first place, i will remove it all now.
this is not putting effort for crying, as all my good ideas and comments are quoted anyhow.

thanks but no thanks,

Snake